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Post by AyraMizrim on Fri 13 Sep 2013, 20:29

Hello Simies!

First i want to tell how much i love you guys! I know i say it every time but well Laughing .

Im gonna build a new stationer computer this days and since i don't trust anywhere else im gonna ask it here. I have some graphic cards that im thinking about but im not sure. 

1 . MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, Twin Frozr III, GDDR5, DVI-D+DVI-I, native-HDMI, DisplayPort


2. ZOTAC GeForce GTX 760 4GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 3.0, GDDR5, DL-DVI-D + DL-DVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, 993MHz 


3. XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, "Dual Fan -DD", with Never Settle Forever - 2 free games


4. Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, "Boost Clock", with Never Settle Forever - 3 free games


Those 3 cards is the ones im thinking of since i want to play the sims 3 all in full graphics

The rest of the pc is this :

NZXT Phantom Big Tower Röd Fläktar: 2x 120mm Side, 1x 200mm Topp, 1x 120mm Bak LED på/av,
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 1x 6pin PCIe, 1x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x SATA 
AMD FX-4300 4-Core Processor Socket-AM3+, 3.8Ghz, 95W, 4MB L2 + 6MB L3 Cache, 32nm, Black Edition
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P, Socket-AM3+ ATX, 970+SB950, DDR3, 2xPCIe-x16, CFX, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, UEFI 
Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB Kit w/2X HyperX Genesis 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin

Seagate Barracuda®️ 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM, 3.5" 
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224DB SATA, DVD±R: 24x, DVD±R DL: 8x, CD-R: 48x, Bulk, BLACK
 Samsung 24" LED S24C350H 1920x1080, 5ms, 1000:1, VGA/HDMI 
ASUS USB-N66 Dual-Band N900 USB Adapter Powerful Wireless dual-band 3x3 USB adapter delievers high speed 450Mbps WI-FI
Microsoft Windows 8 64bit Endast användas i PC prod.
As you notice it is coming with windows 8, im not sure if im gonna keep those since dunno if sims will play, but that i can choose it later.But i really need help with the card.
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Re: New pc!

Post by Adwomin on Sat 14 Sep 2013, 15:39

Hello there,

That looks like a good configuration to me. But I'm not sure if a 550W PSU is going to provide enough power. If you want to be on the safe side and if you plan on upgrading your PC in the future, I recommend 600W-750W.

I see you're going to use a wireless Wi-Fi adapter, but keep in mind that a LAN cable provides maximum internet speed, so I recommend connecting via a LAN cable, instead of via Wi-Fi.

As for the GPU, they are all decent cards, but I'd personally go for NVIDIA.

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Re: New pc!

Post by AyraMizrim on Sat 14 Sep 2013, 16:58

Hmm something like this one then?
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 750W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 2x 6pin PCIe, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x SATA 


NVIDIA is a good one i know is better for gaming , even tho im a huge lover of AMD
Unfortunate on the site i can choose specific graphic cards for and i have no NVIDIA to choose.So after looking a bit i came to be between 

XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, "Dual Fan -DD", DVI, 2xmini-DisplayPort, HDMI, 925MHz
XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz 3GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, "Dual Fan -GHz XT2", with Never Settle Forever - 3 free games

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Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, with Never Settle Forever - 3 free games


I have no idea what is the difference exept a small change on the price.

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Post by Adwomin on Sat 14 Sep 2013, 22:36

Hello again,

That PSU looks good to me!
Why not buy all the components separately yourself and then build the PC yourself?

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Re: New pc!

Post by AyraMizrim on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 02:57

Admin wrote:Hello again,

That PSU looks good to me!
Why not buy all the components separately yourself and then build the PC yourself?
Well i actually have choose those parts, the thing is i have the main parts and i am jast changing some of them through the list of the store, because i want to build a good gaming computer but i fear if i choose all the parts my self i may do something wrong like choose parts that are not compatible with each others Smile
Is been so long since i was looking on pc's that now have so many new things out there haha, so is a bit difficult for me to choose:P
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Post by Adwomin on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 14:04

Hello there,

You can post your final configuration here, so we can check compatibility for you. That way you can choose all the components you want, and you can build the PC yourself. (Which is a great way to spend your time!)

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Post by AyraMizrim on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 14:30

That is awsome!
Ok here is my latest chooses i have made.

NZXT Phantom Big Tower Röd Fläktar: 2x 120mm Side, 1x 200mm Topp, 1x 120mm Bak LED på/av, mATX, ATX, eATX
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 750W PSU ATX 12V V2.31, 80 Plus Bronze, Standard, 2x 6pin PCIe, 2x 6+2pin PCIe, 8x 


AMD FX-8350 8-Core Processor Socket-AM3+, 4.0Ghz, 125W, 8MB L2 + 8MB L3 Cache, 32nm, Black Edition


ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0, Socket-AM3+ ATX, 990FX+SB950, DDR3, 4xG2-PCIe-x16, CFX/SLI, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, UEFI


Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 8GB Kit w/2X HyperX Genesis 4GB DDR3, CL9-9-9-27, 240pin


XFX Radeon HD 7970 GHz 3GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, "Dual Fan -GHz XT2", with Never Settle Forever


WD Desktop Green 1TB SATA 6Gb/s, (SATA 3.0), RPM = IntelliPower, 64MB, 3.5"


or    (WD Desktop Blue 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB, 7200RPM, 3.5")
Samsung DVD Writer, SH-224DB SATA, DVD±R: 24x, DVD±R DL: 8x, CD-R: 48x, Bulk, BLACK


Asus 21,5" LED VE228TR 1920x1080, 5ms, 80m:1, Speakers, VGA/DVI


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Post by Adwomin on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 17:56

Hello,

I'll get back to you soon.

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Post by Adwomin on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 21:40

Hello there,

So, I've checked your configuration. The GPU requires at least 500W power, so the 550W might not have worked at all. With the 750W you're definitely on the safe side.
Keep in mind that the GPU will take up two slots, because of its size. That shouldn't cause any problems though, but you'll be unable to use the second slot for something else.

I'd also like to let you know that the WD Green HDD is "IntelliPower", which means that it's a 5200 RPM disk. Shouldn't cause much problem though, especially not if you plan to use it as a permanent storage. Remember to install Windows to the 7200 RPM disk, for best performance. Nevermind, I didn't see the "or". In that case, go for the WD Blue!

DVD writer is not very important, so don't spend too much on that.

The LED monitor is a good choice, in my opinion. Nice colours, bright, but consumes less power. Why not go for a 22", while you're at it. Or even a 24" one. The difference between 22" and 24" seems little, but when you see it with your own eyes, it's a pretty huge difference. The 24" ones aren't that expensive any more, these days. (Depending on your budget, I don't know)

Windows 8 has much to offer, but not everyone is keen on the (tiles) interface. I recommend you try a Windows 8 demo first - in a store or somewhere - before deciding to buy a copy. I recommend sticking to Windows 7 for now. Windows 8 is more of a tablet Operating System, in my opinion. Besides, why buy one when you can get a fully working, updatable copy for free? pirat

That was pretty much it. Since I'm not an expert, I'll have someone else look at your configuration too. Stay tuned!

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Post by AyraMizrim on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 21:53

Omg i so much love you xD hihihi. About the screen you have right the thing i i don't want to go much high on the budget (for now), you also say
Admin wrote:The LED monitor is a good choice, in my opinion. Nice colours, bright, but consumes less power.
is that a bad thing? (the thing that is consume less power) As for the windows is in the price so im not pay extra and i wanted to tested but im gonna use the windows 7 i got from your site pirat mehehehe!
Admin wrote:I'd also like to let you know that the WD Green HDD is "IntelliPower", which means that it's a 5200 RPM disk. Shouldn't cause much problem though, especially not if you plan to use it as a permanent storage. Remember to install Windows to the 7200 RPM disk, for best performance. Nevermind, I didn't see the "or". In that case, go for the WD Blue!


I didn't really knew the difference to be honest exept that the green saves power. but well.
By the way do you think i will have problem run the sims on windows 7 64bits?
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Post by Adwomin on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 22:23

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"In the price"? So the store is going to build the PC for you? If so, they will definitely check compatibility for you, don't worry.
Also keep in mind that, since we somehow forgot to include the boot files in our Windows 7 download, you will not be able to install that version on an "empty" PC. I'm afraid you'll have to use a torrent that does allow booting from the disc.

And no, less power consumption is a good thing! I should've said "and consumes less power", my bad.

"Green" saves power, because it spins at a lower rate, which theoretically slows down everything. For a good gaming PC, I recommend the 7200 RPM ones. (The "Green" ones spin at 5200 RPM)

The Sims 3 (and pretty much all other games) works just fine on 64-bit systems!

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Post by AyraMizrim on Sun 15 Sep 2013, 22:33

That is good to know , and yes they said they after i choose the parts they can build it for me, that's why i suppose the windows are in the price. Though i didn't know they test the pc to see about the compatibility, heven't bough from there before but a friend said that they are good. That is why i wanted to ask here Smile .
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Post by Adwomin on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 15:35

Hello again,

I still recommend getting the separate parts yourself and building the PC yourself.
Wait a little bit more though, Dracos66 will get back to you shortly. He might have some other suggestions for you.

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Post by AyraMizrim on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 16:57

Ok Smile But i still feel a bit scared to install everything by my self. Done it once when i was study computers and didn't really went good , motherboard wasn't sit ok and i was fear i will burn it.So i run to the store to fix it for me. Heheheh . But will be nice to hear other suggestions, since im not gonna buy till 23 that im getting payed so i have plenty of time to think about it and search bit more Cool

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Post by Dracos66 on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 17:40

The system selection you have should do very well for the Sims3 and pretty much any other game you want to play. I would go with the WD Blue for your HDD and would suggest getting a second drive of the same thing so you can better control storage and application data. (first dive partitioned C:\ for System Install and D:\ for Application/Games installs, second drive Partitioned E:\ and F:\ for backups and storage). Another option is to get 2 more WD Blues and set your system up using RAID.

Since your tower supports it I would also check on a water cooling system for it if you have enough left in your budget. There are plenty of fans in the case but water cooling does a better job for the CPU

Stay AWAY from Windows 8 if you want a good gaming experience. Ive had nothing but trouble from Windows 8 with my clients that love to game, heck even flash games are having problems with Microsucks Winblows 8 and 8.1. Windows 7 64-bit will be perfect for your needs.

Building the system yourself is pretty easy, just take your time and dont try to "force" anything to fit. If you run into problems you can holler at me here and I can walk you through them pretty quickly. I've built over 300 systems for myself and others and have learned that "slow building is good" Very Happy

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Post by AyraMizrim on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 18:14

Dracos66 wrote:Since your tower supports it I would also check on a water cooling system for it if you have enough left in your budget. There are plenty of fans in the case but water cooling does a better job for the CPU
I was really thinking about the water cooler system also and the prices here are not so bad. But the thing is the budget for the moment atleast . Since of course i add one later i saw a video step by step on internet and was very easy actually.

 About the hard drive now as Admin said about the blue WD i have already considerate it so ye im going for that one and i have already add an extra but i was thinking that 2 of this is = 2T so dunno if i really need so much space for the moment. I run a laptop with 400gb and i have never pass the 300gb. Though some extra space never harm anyone.
Dracos66 wrote:Another option is to get 2 more WD Blues and set your system up using RAID.
No idea what RAID is Shocked 

And about windows 8 well im very skeptical about them. I have get used to it with window 7 for so long that im might gonna stay with them safer for the moment.

And i will also think about the build it my self, im more experience from when i build that first computer so i might run to you again in case i have problem with something. The part it scares me is the motherboard, nothing else and ofc the processor.
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Post by Dracos66 on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 18:21

RAID is short for redundant array of independent (or inexpensive) disks.It is a category of disk drives that employ two or more drives in combination for fault tolerance and performance. RAID disk drives are used frequently on servers but aren't generally necessary for personal computers. RAID allows you to store the same data redundantly (in multiple paces) in a balanced way to improve overall storage performance.

Different RAID Levels
Different architectures are named RAID followed by a number and each architecture provides a different balance between performance, capacity and tolerance. There are number of different RAID levels including the following;
Level 0: Striped Disk Array without Fault Tolerance
Provides data striping(spreading out blocks of each file across multiple disk drives) but no redundancy. This improves performance but does not deliver fault tolerance. If one drive fails then all data in the array is lost.
Level 1: Mirroring and Duplexing
Provides disk mirroring. Level 1 provides twice the read transaction rate of single disks and the same write transaction rate as single disks.
Level 2: Error-Correcting Coding
Not a typical implementation and rarely used, Level 2 stripes data at the bit level rather than the block level.
Level 3: Bit-Interleaved Parity
Provides byte-level striping with a dedicated parity disk. Level 3, which cannot service simultaneous multiple requests, also is rarely used.
Level 4: Dedicated Parity Drive
A commonly used implementation of RAID, Level 4 provides block-level striping (like Level 0) with a parity disk. If a data disk fails, the parity data is used to create a replacement disk. A disadvantage to Level 4 is that the parity disk can create write bottlenecks.
Level 5: Block Interleaved Distributed Parity
Provides data striping at the byte level and also stripe error correction information. This results in excellent performance and good fault tolerance. Level 5 is one of the most popular implementations of RAID.
Level 6: Independent Data Disks with Double Parity
RAID Level 6 is similiar to RAID 5 (striped parity) except instead of one parity block per stripe there are two. With two independent parity blocks, RAID 6 can survive the loss of two disks in the group. Learn more about RAID 6 in this "Get Ready for RAID-6" article on ServrWatch.com.
Level 0+1: A Mirror of Stripes
Not one of the original RAID levels, two RAID 0 stripes are created, and a RAID 1 mirror is created over them. Used for both replicating and sharing data among disks.
Level 10: A Stripe of Mirrors
Not one of the original RAID levels, multiple RAID 1 mirrors are created, and a RAID 0 stripe is created over these.
Level 7
A trademark of Storage Computer Corporation that adds caching to Levels 3 or 4.
RAID S
Also called Parity RAID, EMC Corporation's proprietary striped parity RAID system used in its Symmetrix storage systems


Hopefully this helps explain RAID a bit for you. The BIOS on the MB you chose supports up to RAID 5 so it may be an option for you, especially if you want to keep your data safe. Very Happy

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Post by Adwomin on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 18:49

Dracos66 wrote:(...) "slow building is good" Very Happy
And you'll enjoy it a lot more too! It's like solving a fun puzzle. Or is that just me...? Facepalm 

AyraMizrim wrote:And i will also think about the build it my self, im more experience from when i build that first computer so i might run to you again in case i have problem with something. The part it scares me is the motherboard, nothing else and ofc the processor.
You can always post pictures of each step you did, showing the inside of your case. That way we can probably guide you through it, by highlight stuff in your pictures.

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Post by Dracos66 on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 19:02

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Dracos66 wrote:(...) "slow building is good" Very Happy
And you'll enjoy it a lot more too! It's like solving a fun puzzle. Or is that just me...? Facepalm 

AyraMizrim wrote:And i will also think about the build it my self, im more experience from when i build that first computer so i might run to you again in case i have problem with something. The part it scares me is the motherboard, nothing else and ofc the processor.
You can always post pictures of each step you did, showing the inside of your case. That way we can probably guide you through it, by highlight stuff in your pictures.
@ Admin No its not just you, I find building a new system to be very relaxing Very Happy  But then again I AM a computer GEEK Hammertime

@ AyraMizrim  Pictures would be good so we can see the exact layout as you see it.

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Post by AyraMizrim on Mon 16 Sep 2013, 20:31

Thank you so much and yep i understand now what Raid is lol... I found it fun to change parts on the computers and is always cool to experiment with it, like overclocking and all this things. But i suppose my first dramatic memory with the motherboard made me to afraid on that part. Since was first time that i had to put the motherboard in the town and the processor , exept that i have done all the rest multiply times:D . So time to try once more!! Thank you so much guys for everything i really want to go and built my beast computer NOW! Im gonna try and put everything my self and if i have a problem im gonna ask for help again, on the processor do you recommend any good cooling paste?

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Nice and compact water cooler, I may have to see if its available here in the states. Very Happy

AS for the best paste, I use Indigo Extreme and have never had a problem with it. The are other cheaper pastes but they cant compare to Indigo IMO.

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Post by AyraMizrim on Tue 17 Sep 2013, 09:26

Hahaha ok, i saw good reviews about the specific water cooler and was the cheapest we have here and since im gonna build the pc my self i did a small comparison and was actually cheaper... So was remaining enough money to add a water cooler and a 24" screen, so i was happy. The only thing is i have to buy the parts from different stores Facepalm I mast sound so lazyyy hahaha

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I buy a lot of my parts from different stores, that way I can get the most bang for my buck. Very Happy

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Re: New pc!

Post by Adwomin on Tue 17 Sep 2013, 20:41

Hi there,

Glad we could help.
Side note: a new processor 9 out of 10 times already has a layer of cooling paste pre-applied! (So no need to buy one for now)

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Post by Dracos66 on Tue 17 Sep 2013, 20:45

Admin wrote:Hi there,

Glad we could help.
Side note: a new processor 9 out of 10 times already has a layer of cooling paste pre-applied! (So no need to buy one for now)
True, but the OEM paste is very sub-standard. I've learned the hard way to go ahead and scrape off the OEM paste and use a better quality heatsink paste, especially when using a water cooling system and/or overclocking the CPU.Facepalm

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