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Post by Guest on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 23:15

Admin wrote:The observation we talked about, is that team members will see the Rules page after clicking on the Register button while logged in.
This too is common practice. Team members (at least some) need to see the register/signup page page even while logged in for the obvious purpose of editing the contents of the register/signup page.


Admin wrote:Removing an account, just because you don't like the username? How does that justify removing an entire account from a Forum?
Why not? Maybe the account was created years ago and MrsPeachface went through some hard times; can't stand the name MrsPeachface anymore and now wants to be called MissPeachface. As you pointed out, Forumotion doesn't allow username change so removing the old account and creating a new one seems one solution.

Hyperbole aside, I personally don't see why users need to justify their desire to remove their account. Users didn't have to explain why they wanted to create an account in the first place so why must they justify their desire to remove it?


Admin wrote:Imagine at least one member sending a PM to me or Edin every day, asking: "Hey, can you remove my account permanently, because I don't like my username and didn't bother to think about one more carefully when I signed up? tyvm!"
I can see how this would quickly become bothersome. I guess it's great then that Forummotion has that convenient unsubscribe feature.


Admin wrote:If one is trying to "remove their Google search footprint", then they should contact Google.
By "Google search footprint" I meant the search result that comes up when you search your username/name. This is going off topic here, but as far as I'm aware Google only accepts request to remove personal information, an alias username doesn't exactly count.


The_gh0stm4n wrote:Coding the register-page so that it won't "re-register" existing users should not be too much of a rocket-science
You're absolutely right, and I'm sure there are sites out there that do implement this. The single use signup page is just one design practice that has gained popularity in recent years. With more people using mobile devices to browse the web, websites tend to 'streamline' their sites and make it mobile-compatible by simplifying things and using single purpose pages. e.g register page, sign in page, rules page.


The_gh0stm4n wrote:...typically operated by a small(ish) group of people, are about a relatively narrow subject matter, and typically also try to cater to certain demographics or interest groups only.
You've just describes a subreddit there Oh my...


The_gh0stm4n wrote:Easy "fix" for that: namely that the person filing a complaint is either me or another team member. I am aware that as staff I should not get too emotionally involved in these things. But theoretically, I myself could as well be the person filing the complaint, even if the slanderous messages aren't (directly) aimed at me.
I admire the sneakiness ingenuity and agree, that does seem to work. It fits in just fine with my understanding of Forumotion's policies.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 23:41

Why are we still discussing this ... 
This forum has over 30,000 users, if even half of them wanted us to remove their accounts, it would be a HUGE pain in the you know where.


They can remove their own accounts, we do not have to. End of story.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by The_gh0stm4n on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 06:04

Edin ElDi wrote:Why are we still discussing this ... 


I partly take the 'blame' for that, although - up to a certain point - discussions like these can be fruitful. As for the issue at hand, I don't have much more to add, actually.

@knorella, Reddit & 4chan may not have been the best examples here, but the main point I made still holds. On those giant sites everything is generally more automated, even if in the case of Reddit there are some tiny subreddits on which there may be more interaction between staff and users.

The discussion also reveals how lawmakers treat issues on which they have zero knowledge. The Forumotion-passage that knorella quoted states a law from...which year ? 1978 ?! That should say all. Obviously, modern-day lawmakers (and/or jurisdiction) decided that this ancient law can be applied analogous to today's forums. They did not take into account all the difficulties & fine-points that were so correctly addressed by the participants in the discussion thus far. Such as the fact that it may be a hassle for Admins to get bugged with countless requests for account deletions. This thing with the manual unsubscription, as I hinted somewhere above, can be problematic if a user later on files a complaint. But yes, there is not much more to say about it. On the other hand, in some areas it's good that laws generally lag behind technological developments. Otherwise we would have more difficulties in maintaining a platform like G4TW for instance. But that is already off-topic.

I'm highly surprised that this specific rule has caused a lot of concerns. I would have expected *certain other points* to cause friction, but OK, fine with me too.


Haters gonna hate


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The_gh0stm4n wrote:Easy "fix" for that: namely that the person filing a complaint is either me or another team member. I am aware that as staff I should not get too emotionally involved in these things. But theoretically, I myself could as well be the person filing the complaint, even if the slanderous messages aren't (directly) aimed at me.

I admire the sneakiness ingenuity and agree, that does seem to work. It fits in just fine with my understanding of Forumotion's policies.

I personally would have preferred adjectives such as "pragmatic" or even "elegant". Nonetheless, I'll take that as a compliment for now.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by Guest on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 06:34

I too am happy to end the discussion here, I feel that the comments I've made were heard and I think I've for the most part understood the valid points raised by @The_gh0stm4n and @Admin. As a final comment,

The_gh0stm4n wrote:This thing with the manual unsubscription, as I hinted somewhere above, can be problematic if a user later on files a complaint.

This is a problem that I failed to consider and I completely agree, the Forumation's current unsubscription implementation does leave something to be desired. 

The_ghostm4n wrote:I'm highly surprised that this specific rule has caused a lot of concerns. I would have expected *certain other points* to cause friction, but OK, fine with me too.

Maybe I should take a third look at the rules, then again

Why are we still discussing this ... 

:$  maybe not.

I appreciate you guys considering the issues (or rather non-issues) I've raised and I enjoyed reading your opinions on the topic. Indeed a fruitful discussion.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by Adwomin on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 21:11

knorella wrote:
Admin wrote:The observation we talked about, is that team members will see the Rules page after clicking on the Register button while logged in.
This too is common practice. Team members (at least some) need to see the register/signup page page even while logged in for the obvious purpose of editing the contents of the register/signup page.
And how exactly do you know that this is common practice for sure? Editing the contents of the register/signup page is actually not an obvious reason, because that's usually not something you leave up to Moderators. (If they even have the permissions to do so)
Usually if you want to edit things like that, you don't go to the page itself while logged in, but you go to the Admin Panel to update the page's content.

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Admin wrote:Removing an account, just because you don't like the username? How does that justify removing an entire account from a Forum?
Why not? Maybe the account was created years ago and MrsPeachface went through some hard times; can't stand the name MrsPeachface anymore and now wants to be called MissPeachface. As you pointed out, Forumotion doesn't allow username change so removing the old account and creating a new one seems one solution.

Hyperbole aside, I personally don't see why users need to justify their desire to remove their account. Users didn't have to explain why they wanted to create an account in the first place so why must they justify their desire to remove it?
Well then, I'm glad you're not an Administrator (here). Razz
It's just a bad excuse. Generally speaking, Administrators are not there to clean up your messes. (To some extend, of course Very Happy) It's YOUR responsibility to think carefully when choosing a name. You don't name your child PeachFace, and then ask for a change two years later, because you don't like peaches any more, and want to name your baby PotatoFace. (Obviously you don't want to delete your child first)
You don't create a Steam account called PeachFace, and then ask for an account deletion so you could create a new account called PearFace. You should've thought about that more carefully, some things are not reversible. That's life, deal with it.

You don't have to explain why you want to register, because it's voluntarily and does not involve our intervention. When you want to delete an account, you're explicitly involving us in your problems. Registering is the choice you make, removing your account is the choice we make.

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Admin wrote:If one is trying to "remove their Google search footprint", then they should contact Google.
By "Google search footprint" I meant the search result that comes up when you search your username/name. This is going off topic here, but as far as I'm aware Google only accepts request to remove personal information, an alias username doesn't exactly count.
True, but that still does not make it our problem that your name shows up on Google. Or Bing. Or Yandex. Or Yahoo. Or any other search engine out there. They choose to index your account, so you have to contact them to have it removed from their services. They probably won't remove it, nor will we.


knorella wrote:I appreciate you guys considering the issues (or rather non-issues) I've raised and I enjoyed reading your opinions on the topic. Indeed a fruitful discussion.
Absofruitly!
Please do post if you find any other Rule that bothers you. You can post your concerns in this topic! *Quickly locks topic*

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by The_gh0stm4n on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 00:54

Going to un-sticky this thread now. Smile  If anybody wants to give additional feedback, feel free to continue commenting below here.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by Guest on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 09:03

Not trying to kick off another round. Just curious, what qualifies as "severe Rule violations"? A couple examples would suffice.

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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 10:23

knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round. Just curious, what qualifies as "severe Rule violations"? A couple examples would suffice.


Good question.
We aren't very banhappy at all, and the following aren't definitive, but just some examples:


-Spamming ads (if that's the only thing a user does, or if they are persistent in spamming ads after a warning)
-Persistence in posting pornographic content 
-Persistent discrimination


There have been cases in the past where someone was banned for a less than crystal-clear reason. But you can be sure that we do not ban anyone just for the sake of it.


I think only the violation of rule 10 would result in an instapermaban. In other cases, we might be more lenient as honest mistakes do happen.

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by Adwomin on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 13:18

knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round, but I will anyway.


Ready? Ready? FITEEE!

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by Guest on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 15:38

Edin ElDi wrote:
knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round. Just curious, what qualifies as "severe Rule violations"? A couple examples would suffice.


Good question.
We aren't very banhappy at all, and the following aren't definitive, but just some examples:


-Spamming ads (if that's the only thing a user does, or if they are persistent in spamming ads after a warning)
-Persistence in posting pornographic content 
-Persistent discrimination


There have been cases in the past where someone was banned for a less than crystal-clear reason. But you can be sure that we do not ban anyone just for the sake of it.


I think only the violation of rule 10 would result in an instapermaban. In other cases, we might be more lenient as honest mistakes do happen.

Thanks and understood.

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knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round, but I will anyway.
Hahaha. No

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Re: Heads up! Revised Forum Rules.

Post by The_gh0stm4n on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 01:40

fsociety wrote:
knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round, but I will anyway.


Ready? Ready? FITEEE!


Let'z do diz 11111!!!!!1111!!  Carlos is tha man  







knorella wrote:Not trying to kick off another round. Just curious, what qualifies as "severe Rule violations"? A couple examples would suffice.


Edin already mentioned the essence, but there is also this. The most obvious (?) answer to the question is that if you understood the idea of the rules, then there won't be any surprises (well, mostly).

The less obvious answer is that there are various "internal" values of the rules. For example, the rule about "no bumping" is something we are very lax on these days. In that case you could argue the user was just very excited to post on here, or new to the format of the forum. In contrast, we are going to take less kindly on advertising or hacking. In these cases, there isn't much of an excuse, at least none that I can think of. Accordingly these things will typically lead to an instant-ban.

Of course, we are going to reserve the right to be stricter in individual cases. I recall that back then with the FB-page, there were lots of "issues". In one instance, after a few users started posting discriminatory content, I kindly asked them to knock it off. After they continued, I asked them less kindly. And after that there were a couple of bans. Ignoring the messages of Moderators/Admins is another such offence that could lead to an instant-ban, though it hasn't happened on the forum yet, I believe.

Ultimately...everything is going to boil down to how much you yourself (!) trust the team, on applying these rules in a fair manner. There really isn't much else to add. 

Another idea is, at least as far as I'm concerned, I would rather have a ruleset that looks very harsh on the surface, and then be able to be lenient with the actual enforcement, rather than having a ruleset full of holes, and then having to "bend" the rules in the event it becomes necessary to get rid of a problem user. And yes, I do find that with a lot of things, such as your observation, the rules may be a turn-off for some people. But that was intended, right from the start. 




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