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Post by akoposijm on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 05:43

Hi, Im Michael and Im having some questions about my sims 3 games. My
question is do I need to update my Sims 3? Ok here is what I did, First,
I downloaded Reloaded version of Sims 3. Then I dowloaded some
expansion Packs: Supernatural, Seasons, Pets, Late Night And
Generations. But I will install Ambitions, Master Suite, High End Loft,
Outdoor and WA soon. Its just not yet finish downloading. Anyway So what
bothers me is the updates or fixes posted here in this website. Should I
download those? Should I update my game. And is it ok If I update my
game and I dont need to reinstall my entire game. Because Im afraid that
it may cause some problems and i might not open my game. It will suck
because I dont have back up for sims 3 installer. Whenever I install I
delete it instantly because my laptop dont have high enough memory. And
also, why does whenever I install an expansion, the first thing it do is
Upating My game before installing the expansion itself? So thats why Im
wondering If I should download and update the fixes posted here in your
website.

Another problem of mine is that whenever i turn on
Advance rendering, my game start to load slow. And its laggy but still
playable. But when I turn it off it makes my game smooth, but still lag
sometimes and my pet's fur looks ugly. Does the updates or fixes can FIX this? I really want to
play Sims 3 with Advance Rendering on, Im afraid the problem is with my
computer but Im still hoping it was the game itself. Here is my computer
specs...

OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name JUNITO-PC
System Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
System Model HP Pavilion dv4 Notebook PC
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz, 2267 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Hewlett-Packard F.06, 7/11/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.17514"
User Name Junito-PC\Em
Time Zone China Standard Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 2.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 2.00 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.25 GB
Total Virtual Memory 3.99 GB
Available Virtual Memory 2.82 GB
Page File Space 2.00 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

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Re: Please Help me :(

Post by akoposijm on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 05:49

Oh yeah I have another Problem, When the Advance Rendering is on, it will let me play for I dont know 2 hours or 3 hours then It will freeze and stop my game. It sucks when I forgot to save my game. But when advance rendering is off It doesnt freeze

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Post by hexorcist on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 09:12

If you installed Seasons then you are up to date (Seasons came out after the 1.42 patch, so it installs the patch if you don't have it). As for the freezing issue, kinda need to know what kind of graphics card you have. "Advanced Rendering" is The Sims Studio's way of saying "full use of 2.0 pixel shaders" - which is graphics card related. It could very well be that your graphics card is over heating (despite what HP/Dell (aka Alienware)/etc say, laptops are -not- good for gaming, because of the heat - period).

After reviewing the options available for that notebook, if you're not using a GeForce card then it's an integrated card (aka "on-board") and shares memory with your system. There are three options: ATI HD 3200, Intel GMA 4500MHD and GeForce 9200GS. They all support Pixel Shader v4.0, but with the integration of the ATI and Intel cards, I'd say it's a system performance issue based on the amount of ram you have -- people with separate video cards with the same amount of ram (or even max for x86 based - which is double what you have) have issues revolving around the amount of ram they have, so it's a fair bet to say your issue is caused by 1) the lack of the video card having its own dedicated RAM (if you do not have the GeForce 9200GS card), 2) having such a small amount of ram (half the max you could be using, and a small pagefile to boot - most techs recommend 1.5-3x the amount of ram you have - so for you, your pagefile should be around 3-6GB as the recommended amount but I would advise more if you can afford the hard drive space, and this includes Microsoft's recommendation) and 3) being on an x86 system (the last two go hand-in-hand).

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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 10:17

Hello,

I use advanced rendering myself because if I turn it off, the pets' fur isn't just ugly, their entire faces are out of whack.
What you could do is sacrifice some other graphics setting in favour of advanced rendering.

You will have to keep in mind that the more expansions you add to the game, the slower it will load and the higher chance you'll have of in game performance issues. I've dealt with that myself over the past year and had no other option than to downsize my game, due to having a very old pc with only 1 GB RAM. And still I play the game on medium graphics, with 5 EP's. Including Pets and Seasons.

It's a matter of making choices. You don't play a huge town, all graphics settings maxed out, with dozens of mods and a 100's of cc's on a low- to moderate end pc and expect it to run flawlessly.
You are, like me, on the minimum RAM requirements for your OS and that means that if you can't upgrade your hardware, you adapt.

My advise is to try all the expansions and see which features you can (or can't) live without. Uninstall what you won't miss (as much). Stuff packs for example do add to the game, but all they really do is add stuff, only minimal features. So they can usually be missed.
I uninstalled Showtime and Late Night myself. These EP's both push sims around town, which can cause performance issues (lag). I do miss the option to have a butler, but to be fair, it really annoyed me that eventually 15-20% of the town's population became celebs. I tried Showtime, but it's not for me so I could live without those 2 EP's. I'm not sure what to do with Supernatural to be honest. I'm in the process of reinstalling my game after overhauling my pc and I think I'll test it after I installed what I really want to have. If it runs well enough, I may add Supernatural.

You won't have to uninstall your game at any point to install more expansions, and you can safely use the patch and the fix now. When you install more expansions, run the patch again, and use the crack again.
Then you'll play around for a while, see which features suit your gaming style and what you can miss. Don't forget to tweak your in game settings, that can be of significant help with game performance.

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Re: Please Help me :(

Post by akoposijm on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 10:45

hexorcist wrote:If you installed Seasons then you are up to date (Seasons came out after the 1.42 patch, so it installs the patch if you don't have it). As for the freezing issue, kinda need to know what kind of graphics card you have. "Advanced Rendering" is The Sims Studio's way of saying "full use of 2.0 pixel shaders" - which is graphics card related. It could very well be that your graphics card is over heating (despite what HP/Dell (aka Alienware)/etc say, laptops are -not- good for gaming, because of the heat - period).

After reviewing the options available for that notebook, if you're not using a GeForce card then it's an integrated card (aka "on-board") and shares memory with your system. There are three options: ATI HD 3200, Intel GMA 4500MHD and GeForce 9200GS. They all support Pixel Shader v4.0, but with the integration of the ATI and Intel cards, I'd say it's a system performance issue based on the amount of ram you have -- people with separate video cards with the same amount of ram (or even max for x86 based - which is double what you have) have issues revolving around the amount of ram they have, so it's a fair bet to say your issue is caused by 1) the lack of the video card having its own dedicated RAM (if you do not have the GeForce 9200GS card), 2) having such a small amount of ram (half the max you could be using, and a small pagefile to boot - most techs recommend 1.5-3x the amount of ram you have - so for you, your pagefile should be around 3-6GB as the recommended amount but I would advise more if you can afford the hard drive space, and this includes Microsoft's recommendation) and 3) being on an x86 system (the last two go hand-in-hand).


Hi Sir! Thanks for your reply. i got some information about my graphics card. here: ---------------
Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9200M GS
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 9200M GS
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_06E8&SUBSYS_30F7103C&REV_A1
Display Memory: 1009 MB
Dedicated Memory: 243 MB
Shared Memory: 766 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 800 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: unknown
Monitor Id: LPL0129
Native Mode: 1280 x 800(p) (60.005Hz)
Output Type: Internal
Driver Name: nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
Driver File Version: 8.16.0011.8766 (English)
Driver Version: 8.16.11.8766
DDI Version: 10
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/3/2009 10:02:06, 7716456 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-45A8-11CF-B251-FC101EC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x06E8
SubSys ID: 0x30F7103C
Revision ID: 0x00A1


Im sorry but to be honest with you my head hurts just by reading those technical stuffs that you recommend. So I have the card that youre recommending right? So my problem is my ram? But I tried this settings on my game, I turned on Advance Rendering and I set the rest to low. Its quite enjoyable and smooth. But My Laptop heats a lot, and it makes my game runs slow. Thanks for you help, I appreciate it so much!

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Lady ElDi wrote:Hello,

I use advanced rendering myself because if I turn it off, the pets' fur isn't just ugly, their entire faces are out of whack.
What you could do is sacrifice some other graphics setting in favour of advanced rendering. ETC


Hi LadyEldi Thank you for your reply, your so nice. I actually tried turning on Advance rendering and setting the rest to low, and it quite ok. Maybe the problem is with me also, because Im expecting too much. What does the Fix do? Im trying to download it right now and I dont know what is it for. Should I patch it even I have Seasons expansion? and I have a question, whenever I open my launcher, it says my version is 16.0.136.019001. Is that up to date? because it confuse me so much, there is patch 1.72, 1.42 and its so annoying. I dont know what to do Sad


Thank you for sharing. I truly appreaciate it. May god bless you Smile

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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 11:02

Hello,

You're welcome Smile And thank you.
The fix is there to crack your game, but if you have Seasons, you don't really need it since the cracks are the same.
Your graphicscard is fine, you are a little low on RAM, that can be a problem if you're expecting too much.
You could keep your laptop cooler by getting a cooling pad. Even making sure underside of it is kept clear can make a significant difference. You could put something like, lego's or toddlers' building blocks (or anything really) under each of the 4 corners when using it on a flat surface.

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Post by hexorcist on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:06

akoposijm wrote:
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9200M GS

Display Memory: 1009 MB
Dedicated Memory: 243 MB
Shared Memory: 766 MB

Those immediately catch my attention. You have 2GB total RAM in your system. 38% of that is being used by your video card alone, leaving your system 1.2GB of RAM to deal with - the video RAM isn't variable, it doesn't start small and allocate more as it's needed. It is all allocated at boot, so your system never touches that ram at all - only your graphics card does. You can get away with it, but I can foresee Error 12 issues when saving in your future -- it's just a matter of time really. The longer you play the same save, the closer you get to going over the limit. There are some things you can do, and Lady ElDi pointed out some good ways to potentially solve this, but even then you may run into issues. Some other things you can do is increase your pagefile size (google: pagefile win7), regularly clean out the SNAP records from your save game after you've created a new sim (you can also get rid of the _IMG records, but that takes a bit more involvement and I'm not sure it's something I'd recommend everyone do -- if you run into Error 12 issues send me a message and I'll remove the _IMG records for you), there are a couple mods that will help (Overwatch, for example).

So I have the card that youre recommending right? So my problem is my ram?

Of the three options you have the best available for that notebook, but as explained above, it's not that great because it is sharing RAM with your system. The problem isn't a RAM issue (ie: your ram isn't bad), it's more of an issue with the amount. Your graphics card is fine (though I'd recommend using a card that has no shared memory), but the amount of ram you have combined with sharing it with your graphics card .. isn't great.


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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:20

Hello,

A few ways to reduce the risk of error 12 occurring (and fixing it when it does) when you save are:

Turn off memory creation: memories really bloat up your save
Use Errortrap
Save a backup of your saves regularly, depending on how often you play you could even consider renewing the backup save after each time you play. Keep at least 2, to be safe.
That way you could use Porter to move all sims out without messing up their (family) relationships when you do get error 12. Simply revert to a backup save and porter them out.

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Post by akoposijm on Wed 09 Jan 2013, 09:14

Hello.
So what can you guys suggest? What are my options? Should I upgrade my videocard or my Ram? Thank you hexorcist and Lady Eldi. Ill keep it in mind. So far no error 12 happened yet. But it happened to me before in my older laptop. After a long time of playing a saved game, it just got corrupted. Now Im using the mods you guys suggested. Thank you guys for your help. Oh yeah despite that my laptop doesnt meet the requirements, can you guys suggest a game settings for me?


Thank you So much!! God Bless you Smile

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Hello,

What exactly is Error12? What are the signs that your game
will get corrupted, Because something happened to my game, the houses
wont load, some areas on the grass appear white, and my sim looked
undetailed. Is that a sign that my game got corrupted? Im trying to save
it now but it still not responding.

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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Thu 10 Jan 2013, 10:05

Hello,

That sounds more like a glitch. If your save is truly corrupted, it won't load at all.
Error 12 is, in itself a sign that your game is getting corrupted.
Are your graphics drivers up to date? You may want to head over here to grab the latest driver regardless. Just find your graphicscard from the first drop down menu's and enter your OS and there it is.
When you install it, use custom and clean installation.

After that, you will automatically have the graphics settings the game suggests for your graphics card, but I recommend tweaking that. I for example get all settings on low except sim detail, which is set to very high. And high detail lots is set to 3 by default. I put everything on medium, animation smoothing off, advanced rendering on, reflections on "mirrors only", draw distance on "near" and high detail lots on 1.

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Post by akoposijm on Fri 11 Jan 2013, 16:23

Hello Smile,

Alright Ive installed the latest driver for my Nvidia. And I want to thank you because I think it helped my game to run faster than before. But I still experience some issues but I can play my game with advance rendering on. Why is that possible? Why should I update my Graphic drivers?

Anyway I have some other questions. Im trying two different settings in my game:

1.) Rendering Off, Low settings- The animation is very smooth, but It lags a bit much. And the Items loads slow.

2.) Rendering on, Medium settings: The animation is not that smooth compared to my 1st setting but its still ok. The Items and houses loads faster. And it lags less compared to my 1st settings. And graphics are awesome.

So Im wondering why its much faster when I use rendering on and medium settings compared to low settings.? Or maybe im just imagining it?

BTW I enjoyed playing the game right now thanks for your help Lady Eldi. Smile


Oh also, when Im in France, China or Egypt, My game is much faster than when Im in bridgeport. Hmm I wish I could migrate my sim to France.

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Post by ☠ ~ Aɳɳ ~ ☠ on Fri 11 Jan 2013, 17:00

Hello,

I honestly don't know why it would run smoother on medium settings than low. Funny though.
I can tell you why your game is faster in any of the vacationworlds. Those are small worlds and don't have as many sims. Bridgeport however is notorious. It's huge and lags a lot more than most worlds.

And you can move your sim to a vacationworld as a matter of fact, you'll need this mod.

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Post by akoposijm on Tue 15 Jan 2013, 10:16

Hello,

Thanks for the info. Ok so Ive learned that my FPS is ranging at 15. is that good or bad? How will I improve it? What should I upgrade on my laptop? Should I upgrade RAM or my Processor? or both? Oh yeah, Finally, me and Error 12 have met haha. And I really dont know what to do so I quit my game and deleted my Electronic Arts Folder in my documents including Custom Contents. I feel that the more I install custom contents the more my game crashes and being at more risk of Error 12. And Im planning to uninstall Pets but Im having second thoughts because it took me 2 days just to download that expansion, and the clothes, objects, and hairs are excellent too. But It makes my town so populated and I dont even like having a pet in my household. I dont know actually what to do. The time when I encountered error 12, my Sim is actually a Stylist and i have styled a lot of sims in my town. Most probably, ive created 3 outfits on each category in some sims. Maybe the town had so much info and my laptop cant handle the data anymore. So in the meantime, I will turn off my story progression If i want to have a progress in my household as soon as I upgraded my laptop.

Regarding about the mods, Ive installed overwatch and Error Trap. I configure the setting of Overwatch. But on errortrap, does it do its job automatically? Are there no setting that I should turn on for it?

And I dont know what happened to my game, I didnt install new patch or anything except for the mods(overwatch,errortrap). It was just this day whenever I start my Game a message will appear saying I have installed unauthorized game, My game may experience crash or lag. And it gave me two options its either I quit or continue. So I clicked continue and I can play my game. And I was like, what was that? But I keep getting that message when I start my game.

Thanks for the Help. Adios!

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